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Post  anima on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:52 am

It makes the difference between murder and manslaughter. Why is it a meme in the Social Justice sites?


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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  scott1328 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:00 am

From Ginny a moderator at the other
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1232

When a well-meaning, generally conscientious person accidentally says or does something that's hurtful to an oppressed group, and the oppressed group reacts with appropriate anger, the well-meaning person is faced with a cognitive dissonance. They think of themselves as a good person, good people don't hurt oppressed people, but the oppressed people are acting like they've been hurt. There are several paths out of this cognitive dissonance: one is to decide that the oppressed people are way overreacting: they can't have really been that hurt, or maybe they are but what you're saying is so important to say that it justifies the hurt. Another, which often overlaps with that, is to insist that what you meant is all-important: if you weren't trying to hurt them, you're clearly not a bad person, so they shouldn't be yelling at you.

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  Atheist Dude on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:12 am

scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?
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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  scott1328 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:22 am

Atheist Dude wrote:
scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

I am not sure what you mean, but I am going to interpret your question to mean, "what do you want for this forum?" Please correct if I am wrong.

What I would like to see is no dog piles, one correction is enough and then let the topic continue. If the correction is disputed, that should be spun off to a new thread where the disputants can have at each other with gusto.

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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  Atheist Dude on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:32 am

scott1328 wrote:
Atheist Dude wrote:
scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

I am not sure what you mean, but I am going to interpret your question to mean, "what do you want for this forum?" Please correct if I am wrong.


Sorry, I was joking.

"What do you want here?" is often asked of a newbie, just prior to getting dog-piled.
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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  Dar on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:40 am

Atheist Dude wrote:
scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

Kosh wrote:Never ask that.

I do believe that Atheist Dude is cutting up on certain people....

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=716&start=400#p39005

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2157&start=50#p34874

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1454&start=50#p29165

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2331#p37723

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2246

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2070

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1951&start=25#p30078

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1999&start=25#p32344

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1628&start=75#p25093

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1401&start=50#p28260

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1647&start=100#p26537

actually, this would be easier: http://www.google.ca/search?as_q=&as_epq=what+do+you+want&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=atheismplus.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=#q=%22what+do+you+want%22+site:atheismplus.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&prmd=imvns&ei=rm2MUOmlL4Xq8gTIl4Eg&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=2d99481a745e4aad&bpcl=35466521&biw=1366&bih=677

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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  scott1328 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:45 am

Atheist Dude wrote:
scott1328 wrote:
Atheist Dude wrote:
scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

I am not sure what you mean, but I am going to interpret your question to mean, "what do you want for this forum?" Please correct if I am wrong.


Sorry, I was joking.

"What do you want here?" is often asked of a newbie, just prior to getting dog-piled.

I am glad to hear that, for a moment I thought you might be one of the bullies from the safe place. But, did you notice I chose the best interpretation of your question and did not assume hostility? It's what adults do, listen up, Safe Space, you could learn something.

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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  piginthecity on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:51 am

scott1328 wrote:From Ginny a moderator at the other
http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1232

When a well-meaning, generally conscientious person accidentally says or does something that's hurtful to an oppressed group, and the oppressed group reacts with appropriate anger, the well-meaning person is faced with a cognitive dissonance. They think of themselves as a good person, good people don't hurt oppressed people, but the oppressed people are acting like they've been hurt. There are several paths out of this cognitive dissonance: one is to decide that the oppressed people are way overreacting: they can't have really been that hurt, or maybe they are but what you're saying is so important to say that it justifies the hurt. Another, which often overlaps with that, is to insist that what you meant is all-important: if you weren't trying to hurt them, you're clearly not a bad person, so they shouldn't be yelling at you.


With 'friends' like this policing their discourse and keeping them down it's hardly suprising that these 'oppressed groups' are still oppressed.

Nothing could better illustrate which group are really the needy ones who need all discourse to be regulated.

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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  Atheist Dude on Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:57 am

scott1328 wrote:
Atheist Dude wrote:
scott1328 wrote:
Atheist Dude wrote:
scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

I am not sure what you mean, but I am going to interpret your question to mean, "what do you want for this forum?" Please correct if I am wrong.


Sorry, I was joking.

"What do you want here?" is often asked of a newbie, just prior to getting dog-piled.

I am glad to hear that, for a moment I thought you might be one of the bullies from the safe place. But, did you notice I chose the best interpretation of your question and did not assume hostility? It's what adults do, listen up, Safe Space, you could learn something.

I find it so refreshing to have a rational conversation, without all the histrionics.
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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  Atheist Dude on Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:08 am

Dar wrote:
Atheist Dude wrote:
scott1328 wrote:

Unfortunately, this is the number one reason that topics get derailed over there. A user (usually a newbie) makes the blunder, a dog pile happens, the newbie doubles down, and then gets suspended or banned and the discussion halts.

What do you want here?

Kosh wrote:Never ask that.

I do believe that Atheist Dude is cutting up on certain people....

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=716&start=400#p39005

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2157&start=50#p34874

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1454&start=50#p29165

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2331#p37723

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2246

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2070

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1951&start=25#p30078

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1999&start=25#p32344

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1628&start=75#p25093

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1401&start=50#p28260

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1647&start=100#p26537

actually, this would be easier: http://www.google.ca/search?as_q=&as_epq=what+do+you+want&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&lr=&cr=&as_qdr=all&as_sitesearch=atheismplus.com&as_occt=any&safe=images&tbs=&as_filetype=&as_rights=#q=%22what+do+you+want%22+site:atheismplus.com&hl=en&lr=&as_qdr=all&prmd=imvns&ei=rm2MUOmlL4Xq8gTIl4Eg&start=10&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=2d99481a745e4aad&bpcl=35466521&biw=1366&bih=677


I've grown to despise "what do you want here" "intent is not magic" and "privileged"
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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  rEvolutionist on Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:38 am

atheistDude wrote:
scott1328 wrote:
I am glad to hear that, for a moment I thought you might be one of the bullies from the safe place. But, did you notice I chose the best interpretation of your question and did not assume hostility? It's what adults do, listen up, Safe Space, you could learn something.

I find it so refreshing to have a rational conversation, without all the histrionics.

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU!!1!


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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  devilsadvocate on Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:11 pm



lol!

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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  Atheist Dude on Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:29 pm

devilsadvocate wrote:

lol!

I'm having a flashback.

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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  Zampano on Sun Oct 28, 2012 12:30 pm

anima wrote:It makes the difference between murder and manslaughter. Why is it a meme in the Social Justice sites?


Sorry, philosopher:


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Re: what is the meaning of intent is not magic?

Post  Youthinasia on Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:17 pm

[quote=I do believe that Atheist Dude is cutting up on certain people....

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=716&start=400#p39005

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2157&start=50#p34874

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1454&start=50#p29165

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2331#p37723

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=2246

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=2070

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1951&start=25#p30078

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1999&start=25#p32344

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1628&start=75#p25093

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1401&start=50#p28260

http://atheismplus.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1647&start=100#p26537

I've grown to despise "what do you want here" "intent is not magic" and "privileged"
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Agreed, this is the exact reason I couldn't bring myself to join the A+ site.



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